{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 90b/1905-10-22/p024","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Here we are at the point where we can see the connection between the Theosophical Society and the Theosophical movement and occultism. The Theosophical Society is not an occult movement or an occult brotherhood; it is built on a democratic foundation in which each person is an equal member with the others. However, it is another matter entirely to grasp the task of the Theosophical Society. The task of the Society is on the physical plane. If one wants to grasp this fully, one must be able to see up into the higher worlds. But it is not a matter of the Theosophist already being able to see up into the higher worlds, but rather of the fact that occult powers are also being developed within the movement, so that the Theosophical Society can be a place from which occultism can radiate and be expressed. It is one thing for a society to be an occult brotherhood, and quite another for it to say: We are not an occult brotherhood, but occultism is being discussed again in our society.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"XVII. The Relationship of Occultism to the Theosophical Movement","site_heading":null,"date":"1905-10-22","location":null,"word_count":179,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/90b/1905-10-22/p024","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Self-Knowledge and God-Knowledge II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA090b/English/SOL2024/19051022p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Die Theosophische Gesellschaft ist keine okkulte Bewegung, keine okkulte Brüderschaft, sie ist auf demokratischer Grundlage errichtet, auf der ein jeder ein gleichwertiges Mitglied mit den andern ist. Doch etwas anderes ist es, wie man die Aufgabe der Theosophischen Gesellschaft erfassen soll. Die Aufgabe der Gesellschaft ist auf dem physischen Plan. Will man diese voll erfassen, so muss man hinaufsehen können in die höheren Welten. Aber darum handelt es sich nicht, dass der Theosoph schon hinaufsehen kann in die höheren Welten, sondern es handelt sich darum, dass innerhalb der Bewegung auch okkulte Kräfte entwickelt werden, damit die Theosophische Gesellschaft eine Stätte sein könne, von welcher aus der Okkultismus ausstrahlen kann und zur Sprache kommt. Es ist etwas anderes, ob eine Gesellschaft eine okkulte Brüderschaft ist, oder ob sie sich sagt: Wir sind zwar keine okkulte Brüderschaft, aber in unserer Gesellschaft kommt der Okkultismus wieder zur Sprache.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":168,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/90b/1905-10-22/p024"}],"english":["GA 90b/1905-10-22/p024"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":168,"en_words":179,"ratio":1.07,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":8023,"original_word_count":7678,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Self-Knowledge and God-Knowledge II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA090b/English/SOL2024/19051022p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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