{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 90b/1905-10-22/p038","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Anyone who understands this will never want to take away the occult character of the Theosophical Society. But anyone who stands in Theosophical Society in this way is put in a conflicting position. He will have to turn his ear to the side from which the occult truths flow to us, and on the other hand, turn his attention to the outer exoteric life of the Society. These things must be strictly separated; they must never be mixed. But one must not, when speaking of the outer Theosophical Society, speak of the occult personalities who are at the starting point. The Powers that live on the higher plane and those who live outside the physical body for the sake of human development never interfere in these matters. They never give anything but impulses. When we work objectively for the spread of the Theosophical Society, the great individualities we call Masters are always at our side; we may turn to them and let them speak through us. When the subject is the expansion of occult life, the Masters speak. When it is only a matter of organizing the Society, they leave it to those who live in the physical plane. That is the difference between the occult current and the framework of the Theosophical Organization.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"XVII. The Relationship of Occultism to the Theosophical Movement","site_heading":null,"date":"1905-10-22","location":null,"word_count":214,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/90b/1905-10-22/p038","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Self-Knowledge and God-Knowledge II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA090b/English/SOL2024/19051022p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Er wird das Ohr richten müssen nach der Seite, von woher die okkulten Wahrheiten zu uns strömen, und auf der anderen Seite die Aufmerksamkeit auf das äußere exoterische Leben der Gesellschaft richten. Trennen muss man diese Dinge streng voneinander; niemals dürfen sie miteinander vermischt werden. Aber man darf auch nicht, wenn man von der äußeren Theosophischen Gesellschaft spricht, von den okkulten Persönlichkeiten, die am Ausgangspunkt stehen, sprechen. Niemals mischen sich diejenigen Mächte, welche auf dem höheren Plane leben, und die der Menschheitsentwicklung wegen außerhalb des physischen Leibes leben, in diese Angelegenheiten ein. Niemals geben sie etwas anderes als Impulse. Wenn wir in sachlicher Weise für die Ausbreitung der Theosophischen Gesellschaft wirken, stehen uns immer die großen Individualitäten, die wir Meister nennen, zur Seite; wir dürfen uns an sie wenden und sie durch uns sprechen lassen. Wenn es sich um die Verbreitung des okkulten Lebens handelt, dann sprechen die Meister. Handelt es sich nur um die Organisation der Gesellschaft, dann überlassen sie das denjenigen, die auf dem physischen Plane leben. 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