{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 92/1907-12-02/p003","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Another stumbling-block which may crop up now-a-days, is connected with the word ‘Mysticism’ itself. Quite recently it happened that somebody used the word among a small group of people, whereupon a would-be learned gentleman remarked: “Goethe was really a Mystic, for he admitted that very much remains obscure and nebulous in the sphere of human knowledge.” He showed by this remark that he associated ‘Mysticism’ with all ideas about which there is something nebulous and vague. But true Mystics have never done this. Precisely to-day we hear it said in academic circles: ‘To such and such a point clear cognition can attain; from that point onwards, however, we grope blindly among the secrets of Nature with vague feelings, and Mysticism begins.’ But the opposite is the case! The true Mystic enters a world of the greatest possible clarity—a world where ideas shine into the depths of existence with a light as radiant and clear as that of the sun. And when people speak of obscure feelings and premonitions this simply means that they have never taken the trouble to understand the nature of Mysticism. In the first centuries of Christendom the word *Mathesis* was not used because this kind of experience was thought to be akin to mathematics but because it was known that the ideas and conceptions of a Mystic can be as lucid and clear as mathematical concepts. Men must have patience to find their bearings in the domain of true Mysticism, and it is purely in this sense that the word will be used here in connection with the name of Richard Wagner.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Richard Wagner and Mysticism","site_heading":null,"date":"1907-12-02","location":null,"word_count":266,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/92/1907-12-02/p003","alignment_confidence":"medium","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"Singles","book_title":"Richard Wagner and Mysticism","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA092/English/Singles/19071202p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. 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The wording is the note-taker's as much as Steiner's: weigh a single striking phrase here far more cautiously than the same phrase in a stenographic volume, and do not rest an argument on one word.","evidence":"Sechzehn Vorträge, gehalten in Berlin, Köln und Nürnberg in den Jahren 1904, 1905 und 1907 (Hörernotizen)","evidence_translation":"Sixteen lectures, given in Berlin, Cologne and Nuremberg in 1904, 1905 and 1907 (listeners' notes)","evidence_source":"The volume's subtitle as given in the publisher's description, mirrored on AnthroWiki (GA 92); the 2022 catalogue's subtitle omits it. 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Vor kurzem wurde einmal in einem kleinen Kreise von einem Menschen das Wort «Mystik» ausgesprochen, und ein etwas gelehrter Herr sagte: Goethe war eigentlich auch ein Mystiker, er hat es ja zugegeben, daß vieles in der Welt der menschlichen Erkenntnis dunkel und nebelhaft bleibe. - Der Mann hat damit gezeigt, daß er unter Mystik, wenn die Menschen sie betreiben, alle diejenigen Vorstellungen versteht, die etwas Nebelhaftes, Unklares, Dunkles haben. Niemals hat ein wahrer Mystiker dasjenige unter Mystik verstanden, was unklar ist und was man nur mit allgemeinen Gefühlen umfassen und ahnen könnte. Wir können es heute geradezu erleben, daß in gelehrten Kreisen gesagt wird: Bis zu diesem Punkt reicht unsere klare Erkenntnis, von da ab aber beginnt das allgemeine Gefühl, sich in die Naturgeheimnisse hineinzuversenken, da beginnt die Mystik. - Im Gegenteil: Der wahre Mystiker sieht darin das Allerklarste, das, was mit den sonnenhellsten Begriffen in die Tiefen des Daseins hineinleuchten soll. Und wenn jemand von dem Dunkel der Mystik spricht, von allerlei Ahnungen, so bedeutet das nichts anderes, als daß die Menschen sich niemals die Mühe gegeben haben, für sich das zur Klarheit zu bringen, was die Mystik klar gibt. In den ersten Jahrhunderten des Christentums nannte man das «Mathesis», nicht weil es Mathematik hätte sein sollen, sondern weil das, was die Mystik aufbaut an Ideen und Vorstellungen, so klar durchsichtig sein soll für den Menschen wie die Begriffe der Mathematik. Es muß der Mensch nur Geduld haben, sich wirklich hineinzufinden in das, was wahre Mystik ist. Nur in dieser Art sei das Wort «Mystik» mit dem Namen Richard Wagner in Zusammenhang gebracht.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":281,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/92/1907-12-02/p004"}],"english":["GA 92/1907-12-02/p003"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":281,"en_words":266,"ratio":0.95,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.99,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6744,"original_word_count":6808,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"Singles","book_title":"Richard Wagner and Mysticism","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA092/English/Singles/19071202p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. 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